Changes

{{SSeminarsNavBar|RightPrevLink=Seminar VII|RightPrevText=Seminar VII|RightNextLink=Seminar IX|RightNextText=Seminar IX}}

{| stylealign="line-height:2.0em;width:100%;text-align:justify;border-spacing:8px;center"|style="width:100%600px;border:0px 1px solid #cccccc;background-color:#ffffffaaa;vertical-align:top"|{| width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="text-align:justifyleft;verticalline-alignheight:top2.0em;backgroundpadding-colorleft:#ffffff10px;"

|style="width:100px;text-align:justify;color:#000left;line-height:21.5em;alignpadding-left:justify3px;"|1960 - 1961{| align="center" style="width:400px; border:1px solid #aaa100px;text-align:left; line-height:21.0em5em; padding-left:10px3px;"| [[Seminar VIII]]|widthstyle="100px"||width=":300px"||;text-align:left; line-| [[{{Y}}|1960 height:1.5em; padding- 1961]]left:3px;"| ''[[Le transfertSeminar VIII|Le transfert (dans sa disparité subjective)]]''<BR><big>[[Seminar VIII|Transference]]</big>

[[Image:Lacan_Seminar_VIII.jpg|border|400px|right]] In <i>[[La relation d'objet]]</i> [[Lacan]] provided a way of [[understanding]] the paradoxical function of [[transference]] in the [[analytic]]al [[cure]]. In its [[symbolic]] aspect ([[repetition]]) it helps the [[cure]] [[progress]] by revealing the [[signifier]]s of the [[subject]]'s [[history]]. He argues that in its [[imaginary]] aspect ([[love]] and [[hate]]) it [[acts]] as a [[resistance]]. He uses [[Plato]]'s <i>[[The Symposium]]</i> to illustrate the rapport between analysand and analyst: [[Alcibiades]] compares [[Socrates]] to a box enclosing a precious [[object]], <i>[[agalma]]</i>. Just as Alcibiades attributes a hidden treasure to Socrates, so too the [[patient]] sees his [[object]] of [[desire]] in the [[analyst]]. [[Lacan]] articulates the <i>[[objet a]]</i> with <i>[[agalma]]</i>, the [[object of desire]] we seek in the [[other]]. Before, the emphasis was placed on repetition, now it is placed on [[transference ]] [[love]], <i>[[amour ]] de [[transfert]]</i>: both are inseparable, but the perspective changes. To insist on [[repetition ]] means to refuse to see in the analytic [[situation ]] an [[intersubjective ]] rapport to be dealt with here and now. What [[speech ]] constructed in the [[past ]] can be deconstructed in the [[cure ]] by [[speech]]: the [[cure ]] is "pure [[symbolic ]] [[experience]]." On the [[individual ]] level, it allows for "the reshaping of the [[imaginary]]," on the theorethical level for an intersubjective [[logic ]] to be constructed. Thus, [[analysis ]] is described as a [[particular ]] experience of [[desire]], on the side of [[sexuality]]. [[Speech ]] has an effect only after [[transference]]. For [[Lacan ]] "it is from the [[position ]] that [[transference ]] bestows the [[analyst ]] with that he intervenes in [[transference ]] itself," and "[[transference ]] is [[interpreted ]] on the basis of and with the aid of [[transference ]] itself." In "The direction of the [[treatment ]] and the principles of its [[power]]" (<i>[[Écrits: A Selection]]</i>) [[Lacan ]] presented [[countertransference ]] as a [[resistance ]] of the [[analyst ]] and raised the problem of the [[analyst]]'s [[desire]]. Here, [[subjective ]] disparity becomes the rule establishing dissymmetry between the two protagonists vis-à-vis [[desire]]: what the [[patient ]] will discover through the disappointment of [[transference ]] [[love]]. Because in the [[cure ]] one learns to talk instead of making [[love]], in the end [[desire]], which has been purified, is but the empty [[place ]] where the [[barred ]] [[subject ]] accesses [[desire]]. We should note that [[training analysis ]] does not put the [[analyst ]] beyond [[passion]]; to believe that it does would mean that all passions stem from the [[unconscious]], a [[notion ]] that [[Lacan ]] rejects. The better analysed the [[analyst ]] is, the more likely he is to be in [[love ]] with, or be quite repulsed by, the [[analysand]]. In [[training]]-analysis there will be a mutation in the [[economy ]] of [[desire ]] in the analyst-to-be: desire will be restructured, so that it will be stronger than passions. [[Lacan ]] calls it the [[desire ]] proper to the [[analyst]].<br> In <i>The [[Symposium]]</i> the [[analyst]]'s position is [[identified ]] with Socrates', while Alcibiades occupies the position of the [[analysand]], who after Socrates will discover himself [[desiring]]. "To isolate oneself with [[another ]] so as to teach him what he is [[lacking ]] and, by the [[nature ]] of [[transference]], he will learn what he is lacking insofar as he [[loves]]: I am not here for his [[Good]], but for him to love me, and for me to disappoint him."<br>Alcibiades desires because he presumes Socrates is in possession of the <i>agalma</i> - the phallus as desirable. But Socrates refuses the position of loved object to assert himself as desiring. For Lacan desire never occurs between two subjects but between a subject and an overvalorized being who has fallen to the state of an object. The only way to discover the other as subject is "to recognize that he speaks an articulated language and responds to ours with his own combinations; the other cannot fit into our calculations as someone who coheres like us." Socrates, by shying away from Alcibiades' declaration, by refusing to mask his lack with a fetish, and by showing him Agathon as the true object of his love, shows the analyst how to behave: such is the other aspect of "subjective disparity" taking place in analysis. There is no rapport between what the one possesses and what the other lacks. The phallus, from being <i>objet a</i>, the imaginary object, emerges as the signifier of signifiers, as "the only signifier that deserves the role of symbol. It designates the real presence that permits identification, the origin of the Ideal-of-the-Ego on the side of the Other." There is a woman in <i>The Symposium</i>, Diotima, who speaks in the form of myth. In the fable where female lack is confronted with male resources, the feminine first has an active role before the desirable masculine. The reversal occurs because in love one only gives what one does not have: the masculine, by shying away from the demand, is revealed as a subject of desire. Later, Lacan would make Socrates the model of hysterical discourse, but also of analytic discourse because he attains the knowledge, the episteme, of love.<br>

Having managed Alcibiades desires because he presumes Socrates is in possession of the <i>[[agalma]]</i> - the [[phallus]] as desirable. But Socrates refuses the position of [[love]]d [[object]] to assert himself as desiring. For [[Lacan]] [[desire]] never occurs between two [[subject]]s but between a [[subject]] and an overvalorized [[being]] who has fallen to the [[state]] of an [[object]]. The only way to discover the other as subject is "to recognize that he speaks an articulated [[language]] and responds to provoke ours with his own combinations; the other cannot fit into our calculations as someone who coheres like us." Socrates, by shying away from Alcibiades' declaration, by refusing to mask his [[lack]] with a mutation in [[fetish]], and by showing him [[Agathon]] as the economy [[true]] object of his desire[[love]]," shows the [[analyst has access both ]] how to behave: such is the other aspect of "subjective disparity" taking place in [[analysis]]. There is no rapport between what the unconscious one possesses and to what the other [[lack]]s. The [[phallus]], from being <i>[[objet a]]</i>, the [[imaginary]] [[object]], emerges as the [[signifier]] of [[signifier]]s, as "the only [[signifier]] that deserves the experience [[role]] of [[symbol]]. It designates the unconscious because[[real]] [[presence]] that permits [[identification]], like Socrates, he has confronted the desire for death and achieved origin of the "between[[Ideal]]-of-twothe-deaths[[Ego]] on the side of the [[Other]]." - There is a [[woman]] in <i>entre-deux-mortsThe Symposium</i>. Having placed the signifier , Diotima, who speaks in the position [[form]] of [[myth]]. In the absolutefable where [[female]] lack is confronted with [[male]] resources, he the [[feminine]] first has abolished "fear and tremblingan [[active]] role before the desirable [[masculine]]." "One puts The [[reversal]] occurs because in love one's desire aside so as to preserve only gives what one does not have: the [[masculine]], by shying away from the [[demand]], is revealed as a [[subject]] of [[desire]]. Later, [[Lacan]] would make Socrates the most precious[[model]] of [[hysteric]]al [[discourse]], but also of [[analytic discourse]] because he attains the phallus[[knowledge]], the symbol episteme, of desire." Desire is only its empty place[[love]].

Having managed to provoke "a mutation in the economy of his [[desire]]," the [[analyst]] has access both to the [[unconscious]] and to the experience of the [[unconscious]] because, like Socrates, he has confronted the [[desire]] for [[death]] and achieved the "between-two-deaths" - <!i>entre-deux-morts<b/i>Le séminaire. Having placed the [[signifier]] in the position of the absolute, Livre he has abolished "[[fear]] and trembling." "One puts one's [[desire]] aside so as to preserve what is the most precious, the [[phallus]], the [[symbol]] of [[desire]]." [[Desire]] is only its empty place.  ==English==An English [[translation]] of [[Seminar]] VIII, made from unpublished French transcripts, was made by a [[reading]] group associated with [http://www.lacaninireland.com ''Jacques Lacan in Ireland''] and arranged in a presentable form by Tony Hughes.* Download: https://mega.nz/#!zbJiHQxZ!_LLpZHQW96_YAWvZptA49sj7xUFFP5MV4oJY4FPT5hc* Download : http: Le transfert (dans sa disparité subjective)//www.<lacaninireland.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/b>THE-SEMINAR-OF-JACQUES-LACAN-VIII-Draft-21.pdf <brpdf width="500" height="500">FrenchFile: (texte établi par JacquesTHE-SEMINAR-OF-JACQUES-LACAN-Alain Miller), Paris: Seuil, 1991VIII.pdf<br/pdf>English: unpublished

{| class="wikitable sortable" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5"|- style="width:100%; border:1px solid #aaa;text-align:left; line-height:2.0em; padding-left:10px;20px"|width[[Author]](s)| Title| Publisher| Year| Pages| Language| Size| Extension| Download|- style="100%height: 20px"| [[Jacques Lacan|Lacan, Jacques]]. [[Seminar I|The <small>Seminar of [[Jacques Lacan: Book II : The Ego in Freud's Theory and in the Technique of Psychoanalysis 1954-1955 (Seminar of lacan|Jacques Lacan)]]. Ed. </small><BR>Transference [[Jacques-Alain Miller8]]. Trans. [[Sylvana Tomaselli]]. New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1991. Paperback, Language: English, ISBN: 0393307093. <br>''<small>978-0-7456-6039-4</small>Buy it at ''| Polity Press| 2015| 460| English| 20 Mb| pdf|[http://wwwlibrary1.amazon.comorg/exec_ads/obidos/ASIN/0393307093/nosubject-20/ Amazon.com58C305EC3C76318540326AD9CD7C264B 1], [http://wwwlibgen.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393307093io/nosub07-20/ Amazonget.caphp?md5=58C305EC3C76318540326AD9CD7C264B 2], [http://www.amazonb-ok.decc/execmd5/obidos/ASIN/0393307093/nosub-21/ Amazon.de58C305EC3C76318540326AD9CD7C264B 3], [http://www.amazon.colibgen.uk/exec/obidosme/ASINitem/0393307093detail/nosubjencyofl-21id/ Amazon.co.uk2376017 4] or , [http://wwwbookfi.amazon.fr/exec/obidosnet/ASINmd5/0393307093/nosub04-21/ Amazon.fr58C305EC3C76318540326AD9CD7C264B 5].</small></small>

<BR>==Related Downloads=={| class="wikitable sortable" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" style=:"width:100%; border:1px solid #aaa;text-align:left; line"|-style="height:2.0em; padding-left:10px;20px"|widthAuthor(s)| Title| Publisher| Year| Pages| Language| Size| Extension| Download|- style="100%height: 20px"| [[Jacques LacanBruce Fink]]|Lacanon Love: An Exploration of Lacan’s Seminar VIII, Jacques]]. [Transference <small>[Seminar I|Le séminaire, Livre II: Le moi dans la théorie de Freud et dans la technique de la psychanalyse]]ebook ed. Ed. [[Jacques-Alain Miller]]. Paris: Seuil, 1977. 374 pages, Language: French</small><BR>''<small>1509500537, ISBN: 2020047276. 9781509500536</small>''| Polity Press| 2015| 288<smallBR>Buy it at [247]| English| 1 Mb| pdf|[http://wwwlibrary1.amazon.comorg/exec_ads/obidos58EAA72329FCC9D0127ACFD1CD72F543 1], [http:/ASIN/2020047276/nosubject-20libgen.io/ Amazonget.comphp?md5=58EAA72329FCC9D0127ACFD1CD72F543 2], [http://wwwb-ok.amazon.cacc/md5/58EAA72329FCC9D0127ACFD1CD72F543 3], [http:/exec/obidoslibgen.me/ASINitem/2020047276detail/nosub07-20id/ Amazon.ca2314496 4], [http://wwwbookfi.amazonnet/md5/58EAA72329FCC9D0127ACFD1CD72F543 5]|- style="height: 20px"| Bruce Fink| Lacan on Love: An Exploration of Lacan’s Seminar VIII, Transference <small>[ebook ed.de]</execsmall><BR>''<small>1509500537, 9781509500536</obidossmall>''| Polity Press| 2015| 288<BR>[247]| English| 464 Kb| epub|[http:/ASIN/2020047276library1.org/nosub-21_ads/ Amazon.de34F810673148B44308C634D1755D96E2 1], [http://wwwlibgen.amazonio/get.co.ukphp?md5=34F810673148B44308C634D1755D96E2 2], [http:/exec/obidos/ASIN/2020047276b-ok.cc/nosubjencyofl-21md5/ Amazon.co.uk34F810673148B44308C634D1755D96E2 3] or , [http://www.amazonlibgen.frme/execitem/obidosdetail/ASINid/20200472762314494 4], [http:/nosub04-21/ Amazon.fr]bookfi.<net/small><md5/small>|}-->|-34F810673148B44308C634D1755D96E2 5]

|===Audio===<!-- <div style="widthfloat:100%;borderright"> --left:0px solid >{{#cccccc;background-colorwidget:#ffffff;vertical-alignIframe|url=https:top;//w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https%3A//api.soundcloud.com/playlists/39079464&color:#000"=%23ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false&show_teaser=true|width=600{| cellpaddingheight="2" cellspacing450|border="5" style="text0}}<!--align:justify;vertical</div>-align:top;background-color:#ffffff">|-|style="color:#000;line-height:2em;width:100%;";|=French=={| class="wikitable" <pdf width="200px500" cellpaddingheight="0500" border>File:Seminaire_08.pdf</pdf>  <!--="0" cellspacing="0" alignOriginal French transcripts of Seminars="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" style="line-height* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1957.11.06.pdf 06 novembre 1957]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1957.11.13.pdf 13 novembre 1957]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1957.11.20.pdf 20 novembre 1957]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1957.11.27.pdf 27 novembre 1957]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1957.12.04.pdf 04 décembre 1957]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1957.12.11.pdf 11 décembre 1957]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1957.12.18.pdf 18 décembre 1957]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.01.08.pdf 08 janvier 1958]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.01.15.pdf 15 janvier 1958]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.01.22.pdf 22 janvier 1958]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.01.29.pdf 29 janvier 1958]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.02.05.pdf 05 février 1958]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.02.12.pdf 12 février 1958]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.03.05.pdf 05 mars 1958]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.03.12.pdf 12 mars 1958]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.03.19.pdf 19 mars 1958]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.03.26.pdf 26 mars 1958]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.04.09.pdf 09 avril 1958]* [http:2//{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.0em; padding-left04.16.pdf 16 avril 1958]]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.04.23.pdf 23 avril 1958]* [http:0px; background//{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.04.30.pdf 30 avril 1958]* [http:#ffffff; text-align//{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.05.07.pdf 07 mai 1958]]* [http:center;"//{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.05.14.pdf 14 mai 1958]|-* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.05.21.pdf 21 mai 1958]| align="center"| * [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.06.04.pdf 04 juin 1958]* [Imagehttp:Sem//{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.VIII06.jpg|200px|center11.pdf 11 juin 1958]* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.06.18.pdf 18 juin 1958]|-* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.06.25.pdf 25 juin 1958]|* [http://{{archive}}/seminaireV/1958.07.02.pdf 02 juillet 1958]  

--><!--<b>Le séminaire, Livre VIII: Le transfert (dans sa disparité subjective).</b><br>[[French]]: (texte établi par Jacques-[[Alain]] [[Miller]]), [[Paris]]: Seuil, 1991.<br>[[English]]: unpublished {| style="width:100%; border:1px solid #aaa;text-align:left; line-height:2.0em; padding-left:10px;"|width="100%"| [[Jacques Lacan|Lacan, Jacques]]. [[Seminar I|The Seminar of Jacques Lacan: Book II : The Ego in Freud's Theory and in the Technique of Psychoanalysis 1954-1955 (Seminar of Jacques Lacan)]]. Ed. [[Jacques-Alain Miller]]. Trans. [[Sylvana Tomaselli]]. New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1991. Paperback, Language: English, ISBN: 0393307093. <small><small>Buy it at [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393307093/nosubject-20/ Amazon.com], [http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393307093/nosub07-20/ Amazon.ca], [http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393307093/nosub-21/ Amazon.de], [http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393307093/nosubjencyofl-21/ Amazon.co.uk] or [http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393307093/nosub04-21/ Amazon.fr].</small></small>|}<BR>{| style="width:100%; border:1px solid #aaa;text-align:left; line-height:2.0em; padding-left:10px;"|width="100%"| [[Jacques Lacan|Lacan, Jacques]]. [[Seminar I|Le séminaire, Livre II: Le moi dans la théorie de Freud et dans la technique de la psychanalyse]]. Ed. [[Jacques-Alain Miller]]. Paris: Seuil, 1977. 374 pages, Language: French, ISBN: 2020047276. <small><!small>Buy it at [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/2020047276/nosubject-20/ Amazon.com], [http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/2020047276/nosub07- Start of right20/ Amazon.ca], [http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/2020047276/nosub-column 21/ Amazon.de], [http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/2020047276/nosubjencyofl-21/ Amazon.co.uk] or [http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/2020047276/nosub04-21/ Amazon.fr].</small></small>