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|style="width:100px;text-align:justify;color:#000left;line-height:21.5em;alignpadding-left:justify3px;"|1960 - 1961{| align="center" style="width:400px; border:1px solid #aaa100px;text-align:left; line-height:21.0em5em; padding-left:10px3px;"| [[Seminar VIII]]|widthstyle="100px"||width=":300px"||;text-align:left; line-| [[{{Y}}|1960 height:1.5em; padding- 1961]]left:3px;"| ''[[Le transfertSeminar VIII|Le transfert (dans sa disparité subjective)]]''<BR><big>[[Seminar VIII|Transference]]</big>

In <i>[[La relation d'objet]]</i> [[Lacan]] provided a way of understanding the paradoxical function of [[transference]] in the [[analytic]]al [[cure]]. In its [[symbolic]] aspect ([[repetition]]) it helps the [[cure]] progress by revealing the [[signifier]]s of the [[subject]]'s history. He argues that in its [[imaginary]] aspect ([[love]] and [[hate]]) it acts as a [[resistance]]. He uses [[Plato]]'s <i>[[The Symposium]]</i> to illustrate the rapport between analysand and analystImage: Alcibiades compares Socrates to a box enclosing a precious [[object]], <i>[[agalma]]</i>. Just as Alcibiades attributes a hidden treasure to Socrates, so too the [[patient]] sees his [[object]] of [[desire]] in the [[analyst]]Lacan_Seminar_VIII. [[Lacanjpg|border|400px|right]] articulates the <i>[[objet a]]</i> with <i>[[agalma]]</i>, the [[object of desire]] we seek in the [[other]].

Before, the emphasis was placed on repetition, now it is placed on In <i>[[transference]] [[loveLa relation d'objet]], <i>amour de transfert</i>: both are inseparable, but the perspective changes. To insist on [[repetitionLacan]] means to refuse to see in the analytic situation an provided a way of [[intersubjectiveunderstanding]] rapport to be dealt with here and now. What the paradoxical function of [[speechtransference]] constructed in the past can be deconstructed in the [[cure]] by [[speechanalytic]]: the al [[cure]] is "pure . In its [[symbolic]] experience." On the individual level, it allows for "the reshaping of the aspect ([[imaginaryrepetition]]," on ) it helps the theorethical level for an intersubjective logic to be constructed. Thus, [[analysiscure]] is described as a particular experience of [[desireprogress]], on by revealing the side of [[sexualitysignifier]]. s of the [[Speechsubject]] has an effect only after 's [[transferencehistory]]. For [[Lacan]] "it is from the position that [[transference]] bestows the [[analyst]] with He argues that he intervenes in its [[transferenceimaginary]] itself," and "aspect ([[transferencelove]] is interpreted on the basis of and with the aid of [[transferencehate]] itself." In "The direction of the treatment and the principles of its power" (<i>[[Écrits: A Selection]]</i>) it [[Lacan]] presented [[countertransferenceacts]] as a [[resistance]] of the [[analyst]] and raised the problem of the . He uses [[analystPlato]]'s <i>[[desireThe Symposium]]. Here, subjective disparity becomes </i> to illustrate the rule establishing dissymmetry rapport between the two protagonists vis-à-vis analysand and analyst: [[desireAlcibiades]]: what the compares [[patientSocrates]] will discover through the disappointment of to a box enclosing a precious [[transferenceobject]] , <i>[[loveagalma]]</i>. Because in the [[cure]] one learns Just as Alcibiades attributes a hidden treasure to talk instead of making [[love]]Socrates, in so too the end [[desirepatient]], which has been purified, is but the empty place where the barred sees his [[subjectobject]] accesses of [[desire]]. We should note that [[training analysis]] does not put in the [[analyst]] beyond passion; to believe that it does would mean that all passions stem from the [[unconscious]], a notion that . [[Lacan]] rejects. The better analysed articulates the <i>[[analystobjet a]] is, the more likely he is to be in </i> with <i>[[loveagalma]] with, or be quite repulsed by</i>, the [[analysand]]. In training-analysis there will be a mutation in the economy object of [[desire]] we seek in the analyst-to-be: desire will be restructured, so that it will be stronger than passions. [[Lacan]] calls it the [[desire]] proper to the [[analystother]].

In Before, the emphasis was placed on repetition, now it is placed on [[transference]] [[love]], <i>The Symposium[[amour]] de [[transfert]]</i> : both are inseparable, but the perspective changes. To insist on [[repetition]] means to refuse to see in the analytic [[situation]] an [[intersubjective]] rapport to be dealt with here and now. What [[speech]] constructed in the [[past]] can be deconstructed in the [[cure]] by [[speech]]: the [[analystcure]]'s position is identified with Socrates'"pure [[symbolic]] [[experience]]." On the [[individual]] level, while Alcibiades occupies it allows for "the position reshaping of the [[analysandimaginary]]," on the theorethical level for an intersubjective [[logic]] to be constructed. Thus, [[analysis]] is described as a [[particular]] experience of [[desire]], who on the side of [[sexuality]]. [[Speech]] has an effect only after Socrates will discover himself desiring[[transference]]. For [[Lacan]] "To isolate oneself it is from the [[position]] that [[transference]] bestows the [[analyst]] with another so as to teach him what that he intervenes in [[transference]] itself," and "[[transference]] is lacking [[interpreted]] on the basis of and with the aid of [[transference]] itself." In "The direction of the [[treatment]] andthe principles of its [[power]]" (<i>[[Écrits: A Selection]]</i>) [[Lacan]] presented [[countertransference]] as a [[resistance]] of the [[analyst]] and raised the problem of the [[analyst]]'s [[desire]]. Here, by [[subjective]] disparity becomes the rule establishing dissymmetry between the two protagonists vis-à-vis [[desire]]: what the [[patient]] will discover through the nature disappointment of [[transference]][[love]]. Because in the [[cure]] one learns to talk instead of making [[love]], in the end [[desire]], which has been purified, he will learn what he is lacking insofar as he loves: I am but the empty [[place]] where the [[barred]] [[subject]] accesses [[desire]]. We should note that [[training analysis]] does not here for his Goodput the [[analyst]] beyond [[passion]]; to believe that it does would mean that all passions stem from the [[unconscious]], a [[notion]] that [[Lacan]] rejects. The better analysed the [[analyst]] is, but for him the more likely he is to be in [[love me]] with, and for me or be quite repulsed by, the [[analysand]]. In [[training]]-analysis there will be a mutation in the [[economy]] of [[desire]] in the analyst-to-be: desire will be restructured, so that it will be stronger than passions. [[Lacan]] calls it the [[desire]] proper to disappoint himthe [[analyst]]."

Alcibiades desires because he presumes Socrates is in possession of the In <i>The [[agalmaSymposium]]</i> - the [[phallusanalyst]] as desirable. But Socrates refuses the 's position of [[love]]d [[object]] to assert himself as desiring. For [[Lacan]] [[desire]] never occurs between two [[subject]]s but between a [[subject]] and an overvalorized being who has fallen to the state of an [[object]]. The only way to discover the other as subject is "to recognize that he speaks an articulated [[languageidentified]] and responds to ours with his own combinations; the other cannot fit into our calculations as someone who coheres like us." Socrates', by shying away from while Alcibiades' declaration, by refusing to mask his [[lack]] with a fetish, and by showing him Agathon as occupies the true object of his [[love]], shows the [[analyst]] how to behave: such is the other aspect position of "subjective disparity" taking place in [[analysis]]. There is no rapport between what the one possesses and what the other [[lack]]s. The [[phallusanalysand]], from being <i>who after Socrates will discover himself [[objet a]]</i>, the [[imaginary]] [[object]], emerges as the [[signifier]] of [[signifier]]s, as "the only [[signifier]] that deserves the role of [[symboldesiring]]. It designates the [[real]] [[presence]] that permits [[identification]], the origin of the [[Ideal]]-of-the-[[Ego]] on the side of the [[Other]]." There is a [[woman]] in <i>The Symposium</i>, Diotima, who speaks in the form of [[myth]]. In the fable where female lack is confronted To isolate oneself with male resources, the [[feminineanother]] first has an active role before the desirable [[masculine]]. The reversal occurs because in love one only gives so as to teach him what one does not have: the he is [[masculinelacking]]and, by shying away from the [[demand]], is revealed as a [[subjectnature]] of [[desiretransference]]. Later, he will learn what he is lacking insofar as he [[Lacanloves]] would make Socrates the model of [: I am not here for his [hysteric]]al [[discourseGood]], but also of [[analytic discourse]] because he attains the [[knowledge]]for him to love me, the episteme, of [[love]]and for me to disappoint him."

Having managed Alcibiades desires because he presumes Socrates is in possession of the <i>[[agalma]]</i> - the [[phallus]] as desirable. But Socrates refuses the position of [[love]]d [[object]] to provoke assert himself as desiring. For [[Lacan]] [[desire]] never occurs between two [[subject]]s but between a [[subject]] and an overvalorized [[being]] who has fallen to the [[state]] of an [[object]]. The only way to discover the other as subject is "to recognize that he speaks an articulated [[language]] and responds to ours with his own combinations; the other cannot fit into our calculations as someone who coheres like us." Socrates, by shying away from Alcibiades' declaration, by refusing to mask his [[lack]] with a mutation in [[fetish]], and by showing him [[Agathon]] as the economy [[true]] object of his [[desirelove]]," shows the [[analyst]] has access both how to behave: such is the other aspect of "subjective disparity" taking place in [[unconsciousanalysis]] . There is no rapport between what the one possesses and to what the experience of other [[lack]]s. The [[phallus]], from being <i>[[objet a]]</i>, the [[unconsciousimaginary]] [[object]] because, like Socratesemerges as the [[signifier]] of [[signifier]]s, he has confronted as "the only [[signifier]] that deserves the [[role]] of [[symbol]]. It designates the [[desirereal]] [[presence]] for that permits [[deathidentification]] and achieved , the origin of the "between[[Ideal]]-of-twothe-deaths[[Ego]] on the side of the [[Other]]." - There is a [[woman]] in <i>entre-deux-mortsThe Symposium</i>, Diotima, who speaks in the [[form]] of [[myth]]. Having placed In the fable where [[female]] lack is confronted with [[signifiermale]] in resources, the position of [[feminine]] first has an [[active]] role before the absolute, he has abolished "fear and tremblingdesirable [[masculine]]." "One puts one's The [[desirereversal]] aside so as to preserve occurs because in love one only gives what is one does not have: the most precious[[masculine]], by shying away from the [[phallusdemand]], the is revealed as a [[symbolsubject]] of [[desire]]." Later, [[Lacan]] would make Socrates the [[model]] of [[hysteric]]al [[discourse]], but also of [[analytic discourse]] because he attains the [[Desireknowledge]], the episteme, of [[love]] is only its empty place.

Having managed to provoke "a mutation in the economy of his [[desire]]," the [[analyst]] has access both to the [[unconscious]] and to the experience of the [[unconscious]] because, like Socrates, he has confronted the [[desire]] for [[death]] and achieved the "between-two-deaths" - <!i>entre-deux-morts<b/i>Le séminaire. Having placed the [[signifier]] in the position of the absolute, Livre he has abolished "[[fear]] and trembling." "One puts one's [[desire]] aside so as to preserve what is the most precious, the [[phallus]], the [[symbol]] of [[desire]]." [[Desire]] is only its empty place.  ==English==An English [[translation]] of [[Seminar]] VIII, made from unpublished French transcripts, was made by a [[reading]] group associated with [http://www.lacaninireland.com ''Jacques Lacan in Ireland''] and arranged in a presentable form by Tony Hughes.* Download: https://mega.nz/#!zbJiHQxZ!_LLpZHQW96_YAWvZptA49sj7xUFFP5MV4oJY4FPT5hc* Download : http: Le transfert (dans sa disparité subjective)//www.<lacaninireland.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/b>THE-SEMINAR-OF-JACQUES-LACAN-VIII-Draft-21.pdf <brpdf width="500" height="500">FrenchFile: (texte établi par JacquesTHE-SEMINAR-OF-JACQUES-LACAN-Alain Miller), Paris: Seuil, 1991VIII.pdf<br/pdf>English: unpublished

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