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Thing (chose)            Lacan's discussion of 'the Thing' constitutes one of the
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Thing (chose)             
  
central themes in the seminar of 1959-60, where he uses the French term la
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Lacan's discussion of 'the Thing' constitutes one of the central themes in the seminar of 1959-60, where he uses the French term la chose interchangeably with the German term das Ding. There are two main contexts in which this term operates.
  
chose interchangeably with the German term das Ding. There are two main
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1. The context of Freud's distinction between 'word-presentations' (Wort- vorstellungen) and 'thing-presentations' (Sachvorstellungen). This distinction is prominent in Freud's metapsychological writings, in which he argues that the two types of presentation are bound together in the preconscious-conscious system, whereas in the unconscious system only thing-presentations are found (Freud, 19l5e). This seemed to some of Lacan's contemporaries to offer an objection to Lacan's theories about the linguistic nature of the unconscious.  Lacan counters such objections by pointing out that there are two words in German for 'thing': das Ding and die Sache (see S7, 62-3, 44-5). It is the latter term which Freud usually employs to refer to the thing-presentations in the unconscious, and Lacan argues that although on one level Sachvorstellungen and Wortvorstellungen are opposed, on the symbolic level 'they go together'.
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Thus die Sacheis the representation of a thing in the sym˛olic order, as opposed to das Ding, which is the thing in its 'dumb reality' ($7, 55æthe thing in the real, which is 'the beyond-of-the-signified' (S7, 54) The thing-presentations found in the unconscious are thus still linguistic phÈnomena, as opposed to das Ding which is entirely outside language, and outside the unconscious. 'The Thin        is characterised by the fact that it is impossible for us to imagine it' (87, 12          .
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Lacan's concept of the Thing as an unknowable x, beyond symbolisation, has clear affinities with the Kantian 'thing-in-itself'.
  
contexts in which this term operates.
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2. The context of JOUISSANCE. As well as the object of language, das Ding is the object of desire. It is the lost object which must be continually refound, it is the prehistoric, unforgettable Other (S7, 53)    - in other words, the forbidden object of incestuous desire, the mother (S7, 67). The pleasure principle          the law which maintains the subject at a certain distance from the Thing (S7, 58, 63), making the subject circle round it without ever attaining it (S7, 95). The Thing is thus presented to the subject as his Sovereign Good, but if the subject transgresses the pleasure principle and attains this Good, it is experienced as sufferinglevil (Lacan plays on the French term mal, which can mean both suffering and evil, see S7, 179), because the subject 'cannot stand the extreme good that das Ding may bring to him' (S7, 73). It is fortunate, then, that the Thing is usually inaccessible (S7, 159).
  
      1. The context of Freud's distinction between 'word-presentations' (Wort-
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After the seminar of 1959-60, the term das Ding disappears almost entirely from Lacan's work. However, the ideas associated with it provide the essential features of the new developments in the concept of the objet petit a as Lacan develops it from 1963 onwards. For example the objet petit a is circled by the drive (Sll, 168), and is seen as the cause of desire just.asdas Ding is seen as 'the cause of the most fundamental human passion' (S7, 97). Also, the fact that the Thing is not the imaginary object but firmly in the register of the reaL(S2, l 12), and yet is 'that which in the real suffers from the signifier' (S7, 125), anticipates the transition in Lacan's thought towards locating objet petit a mcreasingly in the register of the real from 1963 on.
 
 
vorstellungen) and 'thing-presentations' (Sachvorstellungen). This distinction
 
 
 
is prominent in Freud's metapsychological writings, in which he argues that
 
 
 
the two types of presentation are bound together in the preconscious-conscious
 
 
 
system, whereas in the unconscious system only thing-presentations are found
 
 
 
(Freud, 19l5e). This seemed to some of Lacan's contemporaries to offer an
 
 
 
objection to Lacan's theories about the linguistic nature of the unconscious.
 
 
 
Lacan counters such objections by pointing out that there are two words in
 
 
 
German for 'thing': das Ding and die Sache (see S7, 62-3, 44-5). It is the latter
 
 
 
term which Freud usually employs to refer to the thing-presentations in the
 
 
 
unconscious, and Lacan argues that although on one level Sachvorstellungen
 
 
 
and Wortvorstellungen are opposed, on the symbolic level 'they go together'.
 
 
 
Thus die Sacheis the representation of a thing in the sym˛olic order, as opposed
 
 
 
to das Ding, which is the thing in its 'dumb reality' ($7, 55æthe thing in the real,
 
 
 
which is 'the beyond-of-the-signified' (S7, 54) The thing-presentations found
 
 
 
in the unconscious are thus still linguistic phÈnomena, as opposed to das Ding
 
 
 
which is entirely outside language, and outside the unconscious. 'The Thin        is
 
 
 
characterised by the fact that it is impossible for us to imagine it' (87, 12          .
 
 
 
Lacan's concept of the Thing as an unknowable x, beyond symbolisation, has
 
 
 
clear affinities with the Kantian 'thing-in-itself'.
 
 
 
    2. The context of JOUISSANCE. As well as the object of language, das Ding is
 
 
 
the object of desire. It is the lost object which must be continually refound, it is
 
 
 
the prehistoric, unforgettable Other (S7, 53)    - in other words, the forbidden
 
 
 
object of incestuous desire, the mother (S7, 67). The pleasure principle          the
 
 
 
law which maintains the subject at a certain distance from the Thing (S7, 58,
 
 
 
63), making the subject circle round it without ever attaining it (S7, 95). The
 
 
 
Thing is thus presented to the subject as his Sovereign Good, but if the subject
 
 
 
transgresses the pleasure principle and attains this Good, it is experienced as
 
 
 
sufferinglevil (Lacan plays on the French term mal, which can mean both
 
 
 
suffering and evil, see S7, 179), because the subject 'cannot stand the extreme
 
 
 
good that das Ding may bring to him' (S7, 73). It is fortunate, then, that the
 
 
 
Thing is usually inaccessible (S7, 159).
 
 
 
    After the seminar of 1959-60, the term das Ding disappears almost entirely
 
 
 
from Lacan's work. However, the ideas associated with it provide the essential
 
 
 
features of the new developments in the concept of the objet petit a as Lacan
 
 
 
develops it from 1963 onwards. For example the objet petit a is circled by the
 
 
 
drive (Sll, 168), and is seen as the cause of desire just.asdas Ding is seen as
 
 
 
'the cause of the most fundamental human passion' (S7, 97). Also, the fact that
 
 
 
the Thing is not the imaginary object but firmly in the register of the reaL(S2,
 
 
 
l 12), and yet is 'that which in the real suffers from the signifier' (S7, 125),
 
 
 
anticipates the transition in Lacan's thought towards locating objet petit a
 
 
 
mcreasingly in the register of the real from 1963 on.
 
  
 
== [[Kid A In Alphabet Land]] ==
 
== [[Kid A In Alphabet Land]] ==

Revision as of 09:47, 26 April 2006

Thing (chose)

Lacan's discussion of 'the Thing' constitutes one of the central themes in the seminar of 1959-60, where he uses the French term la chose interchangeably with the German term das Ding. There are two main contexts in which this term operates.

1. The context of Freud's distinction between 'word-presentations' (Wort- vorstellungen) and 'thing-presentations' (Sachvorstellungen). This distinction is prominent in Freud's metapsychological writings, in which he argues that the two types of presentation are bound together in the preconscious-conscious system, whereas in the unconscious system only thing-presentations are found (Freud, 19l5e). This seemed to some of Lacan's contemporaries to offer an objection to Lacan's theories about the linguistic nature of the unconscious. Lacan counters such objections by pointing out that there are two words in German for 'thing': das Ding and die Sache (see S7, 62-3, 44-5). It is the latter term which Freud usually employs to refer to the thing-presentations in the unconscious, and Lacan argues that although on one level Sachvorstellungen and Wortvorstellungen are opposed, on the symbolic level 'they go together'. Thus die Sacheis the representation of a thing in the sym˛olic order, as opposed to das Ding, which is the thing in its 'dumb reality' ($7, 55æthe thing in the real, which is 'the beyond-of-the-signified' (S7, 54) The thing-presentations found in the unconscious are thus still linguistic phÈnomena, as opposed to das Ding which is entirely outside language, and outside the unconscious. 'The Thin is characterised by the fact that it is impossible for us to imagine it' (87, 12 . Lacan's concept of the Thing as an unknowable x, beyond symbolisation, has clear affinities with the Kantian 'thing-in-itself'.

2. The context of JOUISSANCE. As well as the object of language, das Ding is the object of desire. It is the lost object which must be continually refound, it is the prehistoric, unforgettable Other (S7, 53) - in other words, the forbidden object of incestuous desire, the mother (S7, 67). The pleasure principle the law which maintains the subject at a certain distance from the Thing (S7, 58, 63), making the subject circle round it without ever attaining it (S7, 95). The Thing is thus presented to the subject as his Sovereign Good, but if the subject transgresses the pleasure principle and attains this Good, it is experienced as sufferinglevil (Lacan plays on the French term mal, which can mean both suffering and evil, see S7, 179), because the subject 'cannot stand the extreme good that das Ding may bring to him' (S7, 73). It is fortunate, then, that the Thing is usually inaccessible (S7, 159).

After the seminar of 1959-60, the term das Ding disappears almost entirely from Lacan's work. However, the ideas associated with it provide the essential features of the new developments in the concept of the objet petit a as Lacan develops it from 1963 onwards. For example the objet petit a is circled by the drive (Sll, 168), and is seen as the cause of desire just.asdas Ding is seen as 'the cause of the most fundamental human passion' (S7, 97). Also, the fact that the Thing is not the imaginary object but firmly in the register of the reaL(S2, l 12), and yet is 'that which in the real suffers from the signifier' (S7, 125), anticipates the transition in Lacan's thought towards locating objet petit a mcreasingly in the register of the real from 1963 on.

Kid A In Alphabet Land

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Kid A In Alphabet Land Trounces Another Two-Ton Travesty - The Traumatic Thing!

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