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| [[{{Y}}style="width:100px;text-align:left; line-height:1.5em; padding-left:3px;"|1960 - 1961| style="width:100px;text-align:left; line-height:1.5em; padding-left:3px;"| [[Seminar VIII]]| style="width:300px;text-align:left; line-height:1.5em; padding-left:3px;"| ''[[Le transfertSeminar VIII|Le transfert (dans sa disparité subjective)]]''<BR><big>[[Seminar VIII|Transference]]</big>|} [[Image:Lacan_Seminar_VIII.jpg|border|400px|right]] In <i>[[La relation d'objet]]</i> [[Lacan]] provided a way of [[understanding]] the paradoxical function of [[transference]] in the [[analytic]]al [[cure]]. In its [[symbolic]] aspect ([[repetition]]) it helps the [[cure]] [[progress]] by revealing the [[signifier]]s of the [[subject]]'s [[history]]. He argues that in its [[imaginary]] aspect ([[love]] and [[hate]]) it [[acts]] as a [[resistance]]. He uses [[Plato]]'s <i>[[The Symposium]]</i> to illustrate the rapport between analysand and analyst: [[Alcibiades]] compares [[Socrates]] to a box enclosing a precious [[object]], <i>[[agalma]]</i>. Just as Alcibiades attributes a hidden treasure to Socrates, so too the [[patient]] sees his [[object]] of [[desire]] in the [[analyst]]. [[Lacan]] articulates the <i>[[objet a]]</i> with <i>[[agalma]]</i>, the [[object of desire]] we seek in the [[other]]. Before, the emphasis was placed on repetition, now it is placed on [[transference]] [[love]], <i>[[amour]] de [[transfert]]</i>: both are inseparable, but the perspective changes. To insist on [[repetition]] means to refuse to see in the analytic [[situation]] an [[intersubjective]] rapport to be dealt with here and now. What [[speech]] constructed in the [[past]] can be deconstructed in the [[cure]] by [[speech]]: the [[cure]] is "pure [[symbolic]] [[experience]]." On the [[individual]] level, it allows for "the reshaping of the [[imaginary]]," on the theorethical level for an intersubjective [[logic]] to be constructed. Thus, [[analysis]] is described as a [[particular]] experience of [[desire]], on the side of [[sexuality]]. [[Speech]] has an effect only after [[transference]]. For [[Lacan]] "it is from the [[position]] that [[transference]] bestows the [[analyst]] with that he intervenes in [[transference]] itself," and "[[transference]] is [[interpreted]] on the basis of and with the aid of [[transference]] itself." In "The direction of the [[treatment]] and the principles of its [[power]]" (<i>[[Écrits: A Selection]]</i>) [[Lacan]] presented [[countertransference]] as a [[resistance]] of the [[analyst]] and raised the problem of the [[analyst]]'s [[desire]]. Here, [[subjective]] disparity becomes the rule establishing dissymmetry between the two protagonists vis-à-vis [[desire]]: what the [[patient]] will discover through the disappointment of [[transference]] [[love]]. Because in the [[cure]] one learns to talk instead of making [[love]], in the end [[desire]], which has been purified, is but the empty [[place]] where the [[barred]] [[subject]] accesses [[desire]]. We should note that [[training analysis]] does not put the [[analyst]] beyond [[passion]]; to believe that it does would mean that all passions stem from the [[unconscious]], a [[notion]] that [[Lacan]] rejects. The better analysed the [[analyst]] is, the more likely he is to be in [[love]] with, or be quite repulsed by, the [[analysand]]. In [[training]]-analysis there will be a mutation in the [[economy]] of [[desire]] in the analyst-to-be: desire will be restructured, so that it will be stronger than passions. [[Lacan]] calls it the [[desire]] proper to the [[analyst]]. In <i>The [[Symposium]]</i> the [[analyst]]'s position is [[identified]] with Socrates', while Alcibiades occupies the position of the [[analysand]], who after Socrates will discover himself [[desiring]]. "To isolate oneself with [[another]] so as to teach him what he is [[lacking]] and, by the [[nature]] of [[transference]], he will learn what he is lacking insofar as he [[loves]]: I am not here for his [[Good]], but for him to love me, and for me to disappoint him." Alcibiades desires because he presumes Socrates is in possession of the <i>[[agalma]]</i> - the [[phallus]] as desirable. But Socrates refuses the position of [[love]]d [[object]] to assert himself as desiring. For [[Lacan]] [[desire]] never occurs between two [[subject]]s but between a [[subject]] and an overvalorized [[being]] who has fallen to the [[state]] of an [[object]]. The only way to discover the other as subject is "to recognize that he speaks an articulated [[language]] and responds to ours with his own combinations; the other cannot fit into our calculations as someone who coheres like us." Socrates, by shying away from Alcibiades' declaration, by refusing to mask his [[lack]] with a [[fetish]], and by showing him [[Agathon]] as the [[true]] object of his [[love]], shows the [[analyst]] how to behave: such is the other aspect of "subjective disparity" taking place in [[analysis]]. There is no rapport between what the one possesses and what the other [[lack]]s. The [[phallus]], from being <i>[[objet a]]</i>, the [[imaginary]] [[object]], emerges as the [[signifier]] of [[signifier]]s, as "the only [[signifier]] that deserves the [[role]] of [[symbol]]. It designates the [[real]] [[presence]] that permits [[identification]], the origin of the [[Ideal]]-of-the-[[Ego]] on the side of the [[Other]]." There is a [[woman]] in <i>The Symposium</i>, Diotima, who speaks in the [[form]] of [[myth]]. In the fable where [[female]] lack is confronted with [[male]] resources, the [[feminine]] first has an [[active]] role before the desirable [[masculine]]. The [[reversal]] occurs because in love one only gives what one does not have: the [[masculine]], by shying away from the [[demand]], is revealed as a [[subject]] of [[desire]]. Later, [[Lacan]] would make Socrates the [[model]] of [[hysteric]]al [[discourse]], but also of [[analytic discourse]] because he attains the [[knowledge]], the episteme, of [[love]]. Having managed to provoke "a mutation in the economy of his [[desire]]," the [[analyst]] has access both to the [[unconscious]] and to the experience of the [[unconscious]] because, like Socrates, he has confronted the [[desire]] for [[death]] and achieved the "between-two-deaths" - <i>entre-deux-morts</i>. Having placed the [[signifier]] in the position of the absolute, he has abolished "[[fear]] and trembling." "One puts one's [[desire]] aside so as to preserve what is the most precious, the [[phallus]], the [[symbol]] of [[desire]]." [[Desire]] is only its empty place. ==English==An English [[translation]] of [[Seminar]] VIII, made from unpublished French transcripts, was made by a [[reading]] group associated with [http://www.lacaninireland.com ''Jacques Lacan in Ireland''] and arranged in a presentable form by Tony Hughes.* Download: https://mega.nz/#!zbJiHQxZ!_LLpZHQW96_YAWvZptA49sj7xUFFP5MV4oJY4FPT5hc* Download : http://www.lacaninireland.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/THE-SEMINAR-OF-JACQUES-LACAN-VIII-Draft-21.pdf <pdf width="500" height="500">File:THE-SEMINAR-OF-JACQUES-LACAN-VIII.pdf</pdf> {| class="wikitable sortable" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5"|- style="height: 20px"| [[Author]](s)| Title| Publisher| Year| Pages| Language| Size| Extension| Download|- style="height: 20px"| [[Jacques Lacan]]| <small>Seminar of [[Jacques lacan|Jacques Lacan]]</small><BR>Transference[8]<br>''<small>978-0-7456-6039-4</small>''| Polity Press| 2015| 460| English| 20 Mb| pdf|[http://library1.org/_ads/58C305EC3C76318540326AD9CD7C264B 1], [http://libgen.io/get.php?md5=58C305EC3C76318540326AD9CD7C264B 2], [http://b-ok.cc/md5/58C305EC3C76318540326AD9CD7C264B 3], [http://libgen.me/item/detail/id/2376017 4], [http://bookfi.net/md5/58C305EC3C76318540326AD9CD7C264B 5]
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<b>Le séminaire, Livre VIII: Le transfert (dans sa disparité subjective).</b><br>
[[French]]: (texte établi par Jacques-[[Alain ]] [[Miller]]), [[Paris]]: Seuil, 1991.<br>[[English]]: unpublished</font><p><font face="BOOKMAN" size="3">In <i>La relation d'objet</i> Lacan provided a way of understanding the paradoxical function of transference in the analytical cure. In its symbolic aspect (repetition) it helps the cure progress by revealing the signifiers of the subject's history. He argues that in its imaginary aspect (love and hate) it acts as a resistance. He uses Plato's <i>The Symposium</i> to illustrate the rapport between analysand and analyst: Alcibiades compares Socrates to a box enclosing a precious object, <i>agalma</i>. Just as Alcibiades attributes a hidden treasure to Socrates, so too the patient sees his object of desire in the analyst. Lacan articulates the <i>objet a</i> with <i>agalma</i>, the object of desire we seek in the other.<br>